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Roku (ROKU) Q3 2023 Earnings Name Transcript

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Roku (ROKU 0.22%)
Q3 2023 Earnings Name
Nov 01, 2023, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Ready Remarks
  • Questions and Solutions
  • Name Contributors

Ready Remarks:

Operator

Good day, and thanks for standing by. Welcome to the Roku third quarter 2023 earnings convention name. Presently, all contributors are in a listen-only mode. After the presentation, there shall be a question-and-answer session.

[Operator instructions] Please be suggested that right now’s convention is being recorded. I might now like at hand the convention over to your host right now, Conrad Grodd, vp of investor relations. Please go forward.

Conrad GroddVice President, Investor Relations

Thanks, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to Roku’s third quarter 2023 earnings name. I am joined right now by Anthony Wooden, Roku’s founder and CEO; and Dan Jedda, our CFO. Additionally on right now’s name for Q&A are Charlie Collier, president, Roku media; and Mustafa Ozgen, president, units.

Full particulars of our outcomes and extra administration commentary can be found in our shareholder letter, which could be discovered on our investor relations web site at roku.com/investor. Our feedback and responses to your questions on this name mirror administration’s views as of right now solely, and we disclaim any obligation to replace this info. On this name, we’ll make forward-looking statements, that are predictions, projections, or different statements about future occasions, reminiscent of our monetary outlook, our dedication to optimistic adjusted EBITDA for full yr 2024, and continued enhancements thereafter, our investments, future market circumstances, and macro surroundings uncertainties. These statements are based mostly on our present expectations, forecasts, and assumptions, and contain dangers and uncertainties.

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Now I might like at hand the decision over to Anthony.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Thanks, Conrad. We’re executing properly because the shift to TV streaming continues and delivered a robust quarter. We grew our scale with web provides of two.3 million energetic accounts, an acceleration from the earlier quarter. We drove sturdy engagement with streaming hours surpassing 100 billion for the primary time on a trailing 12-month foundation.

And The Roku Channel stays the highest 10 streaming app with engagement similar to Paramount Plus, Peacock, and Max, in keeping with Nielsen. On the monetization facet, platform income was up 18% yr over yr, reflecting sturdy contribution from content material distribution and video promoting. We continued to faucet into new advert demand sources and at the moment are built-in with greater than 30 programmatic companions. Spend on the Roku platform by way of automated third-party demand sources in Q3 grew meaningfully yr over yr.

And we expanded our partnerships with marquee manufacturers this quarter. With Spotify, we launched video advertisements within the Spotify app on Roku units, and with the NFL, we launched the primary league-branded zone within the Roku Sports activities Expertise. We continued to make progress in lowering our year-over-year opex progress fee. In September, we introduced further measures that included a discount of our workforce and workplace services and the removing of choose content material.

These measures and different price reductions, together with our sturdy top-line progress, enabled us to ship adjusted EBITDA of $43 million in Q3. Going ahead, we are going to steadiness funding for progress with our dedication to optimistic adjusted EBITDA for the total yr 2024. And we anticipate continued adjusted EBITDA enhancements after that. With our rising scale and engagement, relentless give attention to offering the perfect TV streaming expertise and ongoing innovation, we’re well-positioned because the advert market recovers.

Now I will flip it over to Dan to debate our outcomes.

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

Thanks, Anthony. We ended the quarter with 75.8 million energetic accounts globally, up 16% yr over yr. Sequential web provides of two.3 million accelerated quarter over quarter. General, Sensible TV unit gross sales within the US had been up yr over yr in Q3, pushed by a client centered on worth that benefited Roku, which grew considerably quicker than the general trade.

Roku participant unit gross sales remained above pre-COVID ranges, and the typical Roku participant promoting worth was up 2% yr over yr. Roku customers streamed 26.7 billion hours within the quarter, a rise of twenty-two% yr over yr, whereas viewing hours on conventional pay TV fell 15%. Streaming hours per energetic account per day of three.9 was up 5% yr over yr. In Q3, complete web income elevated 20% yr over yr to $912 million.

Platform income was up 18% yr over yr to $787 million, pushed by each content material distribution and video promoting, offset by decrease media and leisure promotional spend. Content material distribution actions grew quicker than general platform income, benefiting from elevated subscription signups, together with current worth will increase from SVOD companions. Much like Q2 2023, platform income and gross revenue additionally benefited from a optimistic 606 adjustment from adjustments in forecasts of our content material distribution offers. Q3 units income elevated 33% yr over yr, pushed by the launch of our Roku-branded TVs and Sensible Dwelling merchandise.

In Q3, ARPU was roughly $41 on a trailing 12-month foundation, down 7% yr over yr, however up quarter over quarter for the primary time since Q3 of final yr. We anticipate ARPU to profit in future intervals from a restoration within the advert trade. In Q3, gross revenue was $369 million, up 3% yr over yr. Excluding restructuring and impairment fees, gross revenue was up 22% yr over yr.

Platform gross margin was 48%, down 5 factors sequentially, pushed primarily by a $62 million impairment cost associated to the removing of choose license and produced content material from The Roku Channel. Excluding the impairment cost, platform gross margin would have been 56%, a 3-point enhance sequentially. Gadgets margin was unfavourable 8%, which was up almost 10 factors sequentially. Q3 adjusted EBITDA was optimistic $43 million.

The higher-than-expected efficiency was pushed by sturdy top-line progress together with price reductions and measures we introduced in September to additional cut back our year-over-year opex progress fee. Free money circulation for Q3 was optimistic $239 million, and we ended the quarter with over $2 billion in money and restricted money. Seeking to the fourth quarter, we anticipate complete web income of $955 million, up 10% yr over yr; gross revenue of $405 million, with gross margin of 42%; and optimistic adjusted EBITDA of $10 million. Inside the platform phase, we had a strong rebound in video advertisements in Q3, and we anticipate year-over-year progress fee of video advertisements in This fall to be comparable.

Nevertheless, we stay cautious amid an unsure macro surroundings and an uneven advert market restoration. Advert verticals like CPG and well being and wellness proceed to enhance, whereas verticals like monetary providers and M&E stay challenged. Moreover, we are going to face troublesome year-over-year progress fee comparisons in content material distribution and M&E, which can problem the year-over-year progress fee of platform income in This fall. Inside units phase, we anticipate units margins to be down sequentially, according to historic seasonal traits, however up yr over yr.

We anticipate each the sequential level lower and the year-over-year level enhance to be within the low teenagers. As a reminder, This fall is historically a heavier promotional interval within the retail calendar, leading to decrease units margins within the quarter relative to different quarters. Turning to opex, we anticipate This fall year-over-year progress within the unfavourable mid-teens, a big enchancment from opex year-over-year progress of roughly 70% in This fall of final yr. We are going to proceed to function our enterprise with self-discipline to defend margins with a give attention to driving optimistic free money circulation over time.

Moreover, we stay dedicated to attaining optimistic adjusted EBITDA for full yr 2024 with continued enhancements after that. We are going to steadiness this dedication with investments to additional develop our scale, engagement, and monetization. With that, let’s take questions. Operator?

Questions & Solutions:

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first query will come from the road of Cory Carpenter with J.P. Morgan.

Cory CarpenterJPMorgan Chase and Firm — Analyst

Hey, thanks for the query. I am hoping you can go a bit deeper simply into the totally different traits you are seeing throughout M&E upfront within the scatter markets. Charlie, perhaps particularly for you, something that you’d name out on influence from geopolitical occasions in 4Q? After which, Dan, perhaps should you might simply tie all of it collectively into how these form of numerous cross-currents acquired you to your 4Q information? Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, Cory, thanks. That is Anthony. So yeah, Charlie will take that first a part of that query and Dan the second half.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

OK. Thanks, Anthony. And hey, Cory, I hope you are properly. I will begin in second quarter.

We noticed a continued rebound in video promoting from second quarter into third quarter. And in third quarter, year-on-year progress of video promoting on Roku really outperformed the general advert market and the linear advert market within the US. So whereas we’re optimistic concerning the ongoing rebound in video promoting on our platform, we stay cautious concerning the unsure macro surroundings and the uneven advert market restoration by class. Truly, Cory, as an example, CPG and well being and wellness are rising and doing fairly properly, however there’re nonetheless classes like monetary providers and insurance coverage that aren’t recovering as rapidly.

And also you talked about M&E. I anticipate M&E to be additional pressured in fourth quarter by, after all, the restricted fall launch schedules due to labor strikes. And there are some difficult comps. Final yr, should you keep in mind, included the world cup and a wholesome seasonal and full theatrical schedule and extra.

So I might say type of development clever, we had a strong, actually strong rebound in video advertisements in third quarter. And although there are the ups and downs I discussed, we’re executing properly, and I totally anticipate the year-on-year progress fee of video advertisements in fourth quarter to be much like third. Dan, you wish to —

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

Yeah. Hello, Cory. Thanks for the query. Let me simply tie that what Charlie simply stated into the way it impacts the This fall information.

Sure, we did have a really strong video advertisements rebound in Q3. We do anticipate, as Charlie stated, the year-over-year progress fee in video advertisements to be comparable in This fall. And he additionally stated that we stay cautious and unsure for the macro surroundings, the uneven advert market restoration. I do wish to add that we additionally do face a troublesome year-over-year progress fee comparability in content material distribution and M&E.

And that does problem the sequential progress fee change from Q3 to This fall. We had a really sturdy Q3 in our content material distribution actions. That comp will get more durable in This fall and that is factored into our information. And so, from a sequential foundation, once you have a look at This fall 2023, rising slower than Q3 2023, a few of this more durable comp and a few of it’s timing.

In the event you have a look at our H2 in comparison with H1 of this yr relative to our H2 in comparison with H1 of final yr, you may see a 9-point sequential change within the second half of 2023 relative to 2022. In order that’s additionally enjoying into the information. And I perceive by saying we anticipate to reveal additional leverage in our enterprise whereas our outlook — with an outlook that requires double-digit enhance yr on yr in gross revenue and a double-digit lower yr over yr in opex, and that is what’s driving the optimistic adjusted EBITDA for This fall.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, Cory, that is Anthony once more.

Cory CarpenterJPMorgan Chase and Firm — Analyst

Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

I will simply — if I might simply wrap it up, I will simply add that I be ok with our dedication to attaining optimistic adjusted EBITDA for the total yr 2024. And clearly, with continued enhancements after that, I additionally be ok with persevering with to spend money on our enterprise whereas additionally assembly these targets. So issues are trying good for us proper now.

Cory CarpenterJPMorgan Chase and Firm — Analyst

Thanks. Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from a line of Michael Nathanson with MoffettNathanson.

Michael NathansonMoffettNathanson — Analyst

Thanks. Hey, Charlie, I’ve two for you. One is, as you famous within the press launch, Roku Channel is up 50% yr over yr. May you speak a bit about what’s modified in your watch by way of the way you program it versus beforehand? After which, secondly, we’re all centered on Amazon getting into the marketplace for Prime Video Adverts.

What do you assume it means for, extra broadly, the ecosystem? After which, any competitors that you just assume you may hit as they enter for Prime Video promoting? Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, Michael, that is Anthony. Let me begin with the query about video advertisements and opponents, after which Charlie can develop on the remainder of your query. So simply — I might say, to begin with, we are the main TV streaming platform. It is an amazing place to be in.

We get requested about market dynamics so much. We based Roku on the assumption that every one TV, together with promoting, goes to be streamed and we’re, clearly, seeing that occur. We’re properly into that transition, however there’s nonetheless a protracted method to go. Conventional TV advertisements within the US, as everybody in all probability is aware of, is a $60 billion a yr enterprise.

It is all going to maneuver to streaming and there is going to be a number of winners. Our platform, clearly, has vital scale engagement, first-party information, distinctive advert merchandise. And like we stated earlier than, within the US, our scale is approaching half of broadband households, that makes us a tremendously necessary platform to be concerned in for everybody within the ecosystem. Our streaming hours handed 100 billion hours, nice milestone for us.

The Roku Channel, as Charlie will speak extra about, it is a prime 10 streaming app on our platform and represents almost 3% of all TV streaming in September, not simply on Roku, however throughout in all places, which is similar to the engagement of apps like Paramount Plus, Peacock, and Max. So we’re in an amazing place. We’re a robust a part of the ecosystem. We’re executing properly.

And if I take into consideration a few components that might be impacting the expansion of our video advert enterprise particularly, crucial one, which we have talked about earlier than and continues to be crucial, is simply the macro — properly, one is the macro surroundings, which is impacting everybody proper now. After which — however the second is simply how briskly advertisers transfer from conventional TV to streaming. There’s nonetheless quite a lot of {dollars} which are within the conventional pay TV ecosystem which are all going to maneuver to streaming. And that is an enormous issue by way of our progress.

And I believe, as providers like — providers that had been historically ad-free begin to add advertisements, it does get pleasure from creating extra curiosity in advertisers and transferring their advertisements to streaming. In order that’s a optimistic profit for us. After which, I believe one other thought I’ve, perhaps most individuals do not take into consideration, is that if you consider The Roku Channel, as well-liked streaming providers make the trade-off so as to add advertisements, it ranges the enjoying subject in viewers’ minds with providers like The Roku Channel, that are already ad-supported. In different phrases, in streaming providers that do not historically have advertisements as they enter the promoting enterprise, I imagine it will enhance engagement on The Roku Channel.

So these are just a few high-level ideas. After which, Charlie, you wish to add your ideas?

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Certain. Yeah, thanks for the query, Michael. Thanks, Anthony. Look, we have accomplished quite a lot of curation on The Roku Channel and we really feel actually good about our alternatives there, Michael, to proceed to develop.

Actually our focus is on bringing the right combination of content material to The Roku Channel, content material that our prospects love and watch throughout what is absolutely that curated mixture of licensed content material, the quick channels and unique content material. And to type of summarize or prioritize for you, Originals are a key a part of our technique and I am happy with the workforce and our environment friendly and influence driving efforts. However the basis of Roku’s content material spend is third-party licensed content material that we service for viewers by way of Roku’s distinctive UI benefits. Our place because the platform is extraordinarily highly effective, in all probability, I might say, extra highly effective than I anticipated even coming in after we first spoke.

And we have now nice programming general, and the numbers and the engagement progress show that our content material combine is working properly. The Roku Channel has grown streaming hours 50% yr on yr. And so, identical to, I did at AMC and different locations I’ve led, we’re very severe about managing the library and we steadily tweak it. In truth, we evaluation The Roku Channel’s content material and the content material efficiency typically, merely to make sure that viewers have the absolute best experiences.

That is the job, to regulate the combination of choices and accomplish that to the advantage of audiences. And that course of has helped us develop and the engagement is rising constantly. And we see continued progress forward throughout all key content material classes, beginning with that direct license, as I discussed, together with the quick channels, and even sports activities and centered in funds originals. Now we have 400-plus quick channels, linear quick channels, and so they’re gaining in traction.

Followers observed that our NFL partnership continued to develop and the NFL Zone launched inside our Sports activities Zone in September and Roku Originals mirrored that and premiered the NFL Draft: The Choose Is In. I believe, you simply noticed a clip should you had been ready on the decision. Applebee sponsored that. And that offered insider entry to the NFL Draft in partnership with the NFL sitting facet by facet with our expanded NFL partnership.

After which, we did progressive stuff like we launched the MrBeast quick channel working with one of the vital well-liked YouTube creators. I believe, he has one thing like 176 million YouTube subscribers. And that was each strategic and accretive. And it was an unique launch that our audiences liked.

And it carried out actual properly. So we’re on technique, Michael, and see progress forward. We are going to proceed to launch new content material and new partnerships on The Roku Channel. And I am happy with the workforce and our course of and our progress.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

And that is Anthony once more. Possibly I will simply level out an necessary part of our Roku Channel enterprise mannequin, which I believe lots of people perceive, however perhaps not everybody, which is that Roku’s massive strategic benefit is that we are the platform that a lot of individuals use to observe tv. So approaching half the broadband households in america, once they activate their TV, the UI that they see is the Roku consumer interface. And so, a method we use that’s to assist advocate content material to our — we use it to advocate content material that is in The Roku Channel to viewers.

Clearly, we use it to advocate every kind of content material, however we additionally insert and make it possible for we promote content material that is in The Roku Channel in our consumer interface once they’re deciding what to observe. And so, that place within the viewer journey is an enormous aggressive benefit and permits us to develop the dimensions and engagement in The Roku Channel with a lot smaller content material budgets than different corporations which have comparable scale need to spend with a view to attain that type of — with a view to obtain that form of attain. And so, it is a massive aggressive benefit in our enterprise mannequin.

Michael NathansonMoffettNathanson — Analyst

Thanks each.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from a line of Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer.

Jason HelfsteinOppenheimer and Firm — Analyst

Thanks. Two questions. Sorry, there was an echo. One, how a lot additional does the corporate plan to go along with DSP integrations? I believe, you referred to as out over 30 within the letter.

Are you totally deployed with the main DSPs and company buying and selling desks? Simply perhaps assist us perceive what inning. After which, second query, Dan, are you able to give us your philosophy for steerage? Like what’s an affordable form of upside-downside vary, even when no quantity, simply philosophically? I believe, simply that might assist buyers form of higher set expectations. Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, Jason, that is Anthony. We’re making nice progress with third-party DSPs, but it surely’s nonetheless early in type of our journey there in tapping into that demand supply, however I will let Charlie speak about it extra.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Thanks. Thanks, Jason. We’re seeing significant success with our early efforts to scale third-party DSPs. We have broadened {our relationships} with a full spectrum of not simply third-party DSPs, but additionally third-party provide and demand companions.

As you famous, we’re there with over 30 programmatic companions, each massive and small, to reply your query. And we’re spending — we’re seeing them spend on the Roku platform by way of automated third-party demand sources and likewise, clearly, immediately with us. And that grew meaningfully yr over yr within the third quarter. Quite a lot of it has to do with a concerted effort to fulfill entrepreneurs the place they want to transact.

And that is been profitable. It permits us to diversify demand and to reveal the total energy and breadth of Roku’s capabilities, actually irrespective of how an funding in Roku is transacted. And it additionally has allowed us to be a extremely versatile associate in a number of methods throughout the markets we serve. So the preliminary outcomes show the advantages of the technique.

And past simply rising income, the suggestions has been terrific. And we’re typically referred to as our associate’s best provider of CTV impressions. And as Anthony stated, the excellent news is these are nonetheless early days. I ought to say there isn’t any silver bullet.

The programmatic market faces the identical general macro challenges as different marketplaces, together with classes like insurance coverage that aren’t again as robustly as a number of different classes. General, although, our embrace of third-party companions of every kind continues, and the outcomes ought to proceed to be optimistic. We work type of consumer by consumer to arrange the perfect methods to construct their companies and to show the distinctive worth of Roku. I do wish to word, I type of say this each quarter, but it surely’s necessary, a lot of our distinctive first-party and ACR information together with our specialised advert merchandise, our unique programming, and lots of the distinctive parts of the Roku UI, which ship at a scale that few others can provide.

I imply, these options will proceed to stay accessible solely by way of Roku. And this range of market-facing choices that enables us to handle each demand diversification within the one hand after which product and pricing distinction on the opposite.

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

Hello, Jason. I will take the second a part of that query on steerage. Clearly, we carried out much better than what we stated after we issued our 8-Ok in early September. And the explanation for that was we did have a 606 adjustment that we talked about within the letter that I talked about earlier.

We had an amazing September. And in Q3, on video advertisements income, we had a really sturdy content material distribution quarter as properly. And we noticed the chance to go even a bit of deeper in our working price financial savings. And so, quite a lot of that performed in to what resulted in Q3.

And going ahead, the advert market is variable. It is difficult. Quite a lot of advertisements are operating nearer to air date. That does create some variability inside 1 / 4.

It is a very uneven advert market restoration. We’re doing our greatest to forecast that. We expect we have got deal with on that. Content material distribution actions is much less seasonal and barely extra predictable.

However the steerage is to offer the perfect view that we have now at first of the quarter after we give the steerage. So it is not — I would not say it is like overly conservative, it is not overly aggressive. We do not give a variety for a motive. We give what we imagine is our greatest view on the time that we give this name.

Jason HelfsteinOppenheimer and Firm — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from the road of Shweta Khajuria with Evercore ISI.

Shweta KhajuriaEvercore ISI — Analyst

Thanks for taking my questions. May you please present some coloration on what drove the online provides acceleration particularly? You pointed to a few issues in your letter. However something which you can level to if it was particular to this quarter or one thing that was one time or simply the traits that you just noticed? And my subsequent query is, something you wish to name out on macro? There are a few different promoting platforms that did name out influence from the Israel struggle. Something that you just noticed or simply the general model sentiment proper now and in Q3? Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, Shweta. That is Anthony. I will ask Mustafa to see if he has any coloration on [Inaudible] web provides within the quarter. After which, I believe your second a part of your query was about political advertisements — what was the query? [Inaudible] The struggle, Charlie can take.

Mustafa OzgenPresident, Gadgets

Hello, Shweta. That is Mustafa. Thanks for the query. By way of the drivers of the online provides within the quarter, it is a mixture of sturdy progress in worldwide markets, in addition to within the US market.

Though we’re approaching half of the broadband households within the US, we nonetheless proceed to develop and we nonetheless see progress alternatives because the shift with streaming is occurring within the US and adopted by the worldwide markets. General, each the TV units and the participant units had been contributing to the expansion. Normally, TVs are barely larger than the gamers due to the worldwide markets that we have now a robust share of TVs than the gamers due to the combination of the units utilized by the shoppers in these markets. General, simply trying on the worldwide, we’re doing very well in Latin America.

In Mexico, we’re the primary promoting TV OS. We launched The Roku Channel, which continues to develop in attain and engagement. And we’re starting to monetize in Mexico. And once more, the enhancements that we’re doing in engagement and the enhancements we’re doing with the distribution with our TV companions and with our participant units, we see continued progress in Mexico.

And we have now greater than 10 TV companions in Mexico, and so they’re all rising their market share, and that is serving to us to get the primary promoting TV OS in Mexico. Equally, we’re rising in different markets like Brazil. Now we have a robust progress in Brazil. And identical to Mexico, Brazil is a big nation by way of variety of households.

In order that’s serving to us to drive our web provides.

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

I will simply add actually fast to that. On the worldwide, it is undoubtedly an enormous tailwind for us, however on the ARPU facet, which after all takes the actives into consideration, properly, we had been down 7% at $41.03 yr on yr. We did see a sequential change. That is on a 12-month path foundation.

We did see a sequential progress in ARPU, which is an enormous optimistic, regardless of a really strong web energetic provides quarter. After which, we additionally have a look at it on quarterly. We do not share it out, however the quarterly ARPU additionally had a year-on-your change, optimistic change. So actually good ARPU along with a really sturdy web energetic provides for the quarter.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

That is Anthony once more. I will add only a couple different observations about web provides. One is we’re starting to see a shift in client’s minds to deciding on value-oriented merchandise and we excel within the worth phase of TVs. That is what helped us.

After which, I believe, we additionally proceed to see shoppers deciding on bigger display screen dimension Roku TVs, which can be helpful as a result of they are usually shoppers that — the bigger display screen sizes are usually in the principle room of the home, and so it is an amazing spot to be in. After which, Charlie, do you wish to speak about —

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Yeah, thanks for the — Shweta, thanks for the query concerning the battle. Up to now, we’re not seeing a direct influence to advert spend from the battle. We might, after all, like most corporations, expertise influence from it to the extent that it impacts the macro surroundings. However once more, we’re not seeing a direct influence as been from it but.

Shweta KhajuriaEvercore ISI — Analyst

OK. Thanks very a lot.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from the road of Ruplu Bhattacharya with Financial institution of America.

Ruplu BhattacharyaFinancial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Hello, thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on the quarter. My first query is on the upfronts. Are you able to give some extra particulars like how did upfront pricing examine to final yr? I imply, I believe, final yr you stated you had $1 billion-plus in commitments. I imply, did you proceed to realize share? So any particulars on — particularly on the pricing? As a result of within the scatter market, as you open up your DSP to working with third-party DSPs, are you open to cost discovery under that degree of the upfronts? And so, how do you trade-off the fill fee versus CPMs and margins?

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, Ruplu. That is Anthony. Charlie, clearly, can take that query.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

I hoped you’d take it. All proper. Thanks, Ruplu. Look, I am not going to interrupt out the upfronts, besides to say you may be happy with our numbers general, whether or not they come within the broadcast upfront calendar, upfront scatter, on the mix you simply described.

I will begin by saying, look, I am happy to report that we did do properly by way of complete upfront {dollars} to the platform. It is fascinating, as I stated in final quarter’s earnings name, this yr was a really totally different one for everybody throughout the trade as a result of it preceded at such a slower tempo than ordinary. And regardless of the tempo, it closed on time as we knew it might and we’re happy with the result. It was fascinating to me as a result of the gross sales workforce just about pivoted from closing the upfront proper into specializing in scatter.

And one development you see is advertisers are nonetheless spending nearer to air dates. I believe that’ll proceed and we actually noticed proof of that within the third quarter. So after I have a look at complete {dollars}, we did properly. We proceed to take share from the general TV market due to a mixture of our distinctive scale, the information we provide and compelling Roku-only choices.

Once more, enterprise tends to maintain coming in late as we maintain highlighting, however the advert restoration itself is uneven, as Dan talked about, throughout classes. In order that’s simply making forecasting notably difficult. However as broadcast and linear leisure impressions proceed to say no on Roku — as a reminder, by the way in which, world hours on Roku grew 22% yr over yr, whereas linear hours within the US declined 15%. So the hole is important.

In order this continues, I imagine CTV normally and Roku particularly will proceed to be deliberate and acquired earlier within the course of. So general, advertisers engaged with Roku on the upfront. I talked a bit of bit about our third-party DSPs. We’re seeing nice engagement there too.

And we’re seeing once more later than ordinary, however we’re seeing that engagement scatter as properly. We have talked so much about having almost half the broadband households within the US. And the distinctive benefits of that scale in our information and our advert merchandise like Roku Metropolis or shoppable advertisements or among the highly effective instruments we use to draw and have interaction and retain audiences, I believe all of that’s what’s seeing us drive that success.

Ruplu BhattacharyaFinancial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Received it. And only for a fast follow-up. If M&E spend stays weak, are there issues you are able to do to monetize the house display screen and screensaver otherwise, that’s diversified to different finish markets? So any ideas there? Thanks a lot and congrats on the quarter.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Thanks, and thanks for the query.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Yeah, properly, let me begin on M&E, and I am certain Charlie has issues to say on that matter as properly. So I believe, properly, to begin with, I will simply say that, as I stated earlier than, we are the primary TV streaming platform. We distribute numerous streaming providers and apps and content material. We’re typically, if not often, their primary distribution platform on tv.

And this relationship, this scale of our relationship with viewers and with content material apps generates quite a lot of totally different income streams for us past simply M&E. And you may see this in our Q3 outcomes. In Q3, M&E was pressured, however we nonetheless grew the platform income 18%. And so, these are — so that suggests, clearly, that these different income streams are doing properly.

After which, with regards to M&E promotions particularly, simply in case everybody would not know what that’s, as we expose the TV viewing UI to our viewers, and as they browse round, we combine promotions for several types of content material into the consumer expertise. And we do it in methods which are efficient in driving engagement, methods to construct subscriptions, but additionally methods which are tremendous viewer-friendly. So it is one thing we’re good at. We put quite a lot of effort into it.

It is a win-win for everybody. It is good for our enterprise. It leverages the truth that one in every of our key property is the consumer interface for choosing content material. So it is an space that we proceed to spend money on, an space that I believe we’re greatest at school in, and an space that we’ll proceed to spend money on.

And M&E is down proper now due to the present state of the financial system and the advert cycle, but it surely’s an space that I believe has long-term potential. I do not know, Charlie, do you wish to add your ideas on M&E?

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Certain. Thanks, Anthony. And Ruplu, thanks for the congratulations. We talked so much about diversifying demand and Anthony talked about integrating all types of various advertisers and promotion into the UI past M&E, and that is proper.

And perhaps I will simply add that, stepping again, I believe it is good to consider how versatile a associate Roku is, each to M&E and to different advertisers who must show that their advertising is working. Now we have prime of the funnel and backside of the funnel influence and we’re constructing upon it. So simply on M&E, look, we’re a enterprise builder for our media and leisure companions, not only a place for them to speculate. And that is as a result of we make their providers and content material, we use the phrase unmissable so much, unmissable throughout the total funnel from broad attain acquisition proper by way of to engagement.

And within the case of M&E companions on Roku, that actually means, proper, you see their advertisements on our platform and the integrations Anthony talked about, and a viewer will click on right here and watch the video right here too. So that’s the final endemic advertiser for us. And we’re beginning to see that influence past M&E. So we’re efficient and accountable.

And what’s fascinating is we’re discovering every of our companions has particular person methods of seeing the facility of the Roku platform to assist them construct their enterprise. And so, concurrently we are able to profit the shoppers, actually the shoppers, the advertisers and our M&E channel companions, and we type of relish all three alternatives. Anthony talked concerning the short-term ache that the M&E class is going through due to the troublesome advert gross sales market, restricted fall launch schedules, and the final uncertainty. And I discussed earlier that final fourth quarter there was some fairly massive promotional moments from the World Cup to mid-term elections.

However I acquired to let you know, the momentary financial cycles don’t dampen the big alternative that we see in working with our streaming companions. We simply have the attain and the dimensions and the highly effective instruments each to win ourselves, but additionally to assist them win. Only a few examples, we produce some branded content material that builds viewer loyalty. And one in every of our companions really leans on superior Roku machine studying to optimize their artistic executions for them to allow them to proactively cut back churn and enhance win backs.

And there is numerous examples like this and it is not simply the massive companions. That is actually efficient media. And should you’re a Roku consumer, you in all probability observed {that a} couple weeks in the past we had a fan expertise across the new season of Apple’s The Morning Present. And this content material was completely out there on the Roku platform.

It included unlock new materials, free episodes, unique interviews, and a three-month free prolonged trial for Apple TV-plus subscribers. So the breadth and depth of this promotion is an ideal instance of what I have been speaking about on this query, however answering a pair others, we’re the best place for M&E and different companions to speculate to construct engagement and we’ll do extra of it and we’ll measure it uniquely for them, and we’ll show the influence.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

And that is Anthony once more. Simply perhaps contact again in your query, the opposite a part of your query, which was, what’s past M&E within the consumer expertise, I believe is type of how I interpreted that query. And it is the innovating methods to create methods for viewers to find content material and likewise to create experiences that they discover compelling in our consumer interface after which combine promotion, advertising, gross sales into these experiences is an enormous a part of our technique of monetizing our put in base. And so — and it is an space that we have now invested in traditionally.

I believe, we lead in it. And it is an space that we proceed to spend money on. Just a few examples. Once we launched the Sports activities Zone, for instance, which is an enormous ache level for viewers, how do they discover which of the numerous streaming providers their favourite sport is being performed on at present? That sports activities expertise after we launched it was sponsored by T-Cell, which isn’t a conventional M&E advertiser for us.

After which, one other instance. Roku Metropolis has turn out to be tremendous well-liked with our viewers. It is turn out to be a cultural phenomena. It used to have solely M&E-based advertisements.

We began including buildings, like we added the McDonald’s constructing, for instance, which is an enormous hit. So these are the sorts of issues we’re doing, and these are issues that — these are promotions and promoting and viewer experiences that everybody loves. Advertisers love them, our viewers love them. So it is a massive, it is actually an enormous space of focus for us.

Ruplu BhattacharyaFinancial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Thanks for all the main points.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from the road of Steven Cahall with Wells Fargo.

Steven CahallWells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Thanks. Sorry if I missed this earlier, however as we simply have a look at the gross margin efficiency of platform within the quarter, is it proper to consider among the yr on yr and sequential weak spot as being pushed by the M&E market, that that is among the highest gross margin income? And so, as that traits into This fall and will even be a bit of bit weak in Q1, ought to we simply be occupied with a bit of little bit of stress? So I might love some coloration there. After which, Dan, when you consider the opex progress heading out — sorry, heading right down to mid-teens in This fall, you’ve got accomplished so much on prices, there was some within the 8-Ok, and I believe you’ve got continued to work on it. Is that a great way for us to consider among the early a part of 2024 as properly? I do know you may hit a tricky comp by the tip of 2024, however can opex be down mid-teens? I do know you’ve got had funding tasks previously.

Simply wish to be sure if that is a good run fee or if there’s something extra forward on the opex facet? Thanks.

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

Yeah, I will take that. Thanks for the query, Steven. On the gross margin facet, platform gross margin of 56%, backing out the impairment fees that we talked about for Q3, was very sturdy. Gross margin quarter for us, it was up 3 factors sequentially.

As we glance — as you look ahead and sure, on a year-over-year foundation, there’s an influence on the combination of M&E. It’s one in every of our highest-margin merchandise inside promoting. And there is additionally totally different margin buildings inside the totally different content material distribution actions, in addition to inside show versus video versus M&E promoting. So after we have a look at margins, we have a look at them and we would like all of them to go up and to the best as we enhance margins, however we’re very centered on absolute gross revenue {dollars}, which results in absolute free money circulation, which is, clearly, a North Star for us.

However to reply your query on steerage, we did have a 606 adjustment in Q3 that did add 200 foundation factors of margin to platform. We do not — there isn’t any steerage to offer for that, as a result of, after all, that is dependent upon the forecast that we have now on the finish of the quarter for 606 changes. However we do be ok with gross margins ex that 606 adjustment and the place they’re on a go-forward foundation. However combine will play an influence on that based mostly on the M&E market, which does proceed to stay challenged.

And we’re anticipating that enterprise to be challenged going ahead. So that offers you a bit of little bit of coloration on how to consider gross margins. To your query on opex, we guided to a gross revenue of $405 million for This fall, and an EBITDA of $10 million. You all will do the mathematics that places opex in that $500 million to $510 million vary.

From a go-forward perspective, we’ll give extra steerage for 2024 subsequent quarter after we do This fall outcomes, however I might anticipate low-single-digit progress charges from a run-rate foundation off that. However we’re — as a result of we’re centered on driving towards the optimistic adjusted EBITDA, however we’re additionally going to steadiness that with progress and have a look at optimistic ROI initiatives and spend money on these as we have a look at to develop our scale and our monetization.

Steven CahallWells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from the road of David Joyce with Seaport Analysis Companions.

David JoyceSeaport Analysis Companions — Analyst

Thanks. May you please focus on your ideas concerning the carriage offers within the legacy world reminiscent of Constitution and Disney the place the streaming apps have gotten extra prevalent on these cable methods. How would possibly that influence what you are promoting mannequin or plans? And should you might marry that thought with the growing pricing on the streaming providers? How do you assume the buyer is reacting to all the streaming selections on the market and the pricing versus the legacy mannequin by way of how that would influence your streaming trajectory?

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Hey, David, that is Anthony. Nicely, I believe, at a excessive degree, the agreements such as you simply highlighted additionally spotlight the significance of streaming within the present and future TV ecosystem. So the truth that pay TV operators are extra actively making an attempt to advertise streaming choices, I believe, simply exhibits — it simply makes it very clear that streaming is the longer term. And we are the primary streaming platform in america.

We’re in an amazing place to proceed to profit because the world and the nation shifts to streaming. Within the US, for instance, our energetic account base is larger than the bigger three pay TV suppliers mixed, which is superior. I believe, after we began Roku, individuals would have thought that might by no means occur. We are the primary TV streaming platform within the nation by our stream.

And these each — we construct each of those positions whereas competing with very massive opponents. So I believe, we’re well-positioned to proceed to monetize your exercise engagement on our platform, irrespective of the place the viewers attain their streaming subscription credentials. So I simply assume we’re in an amazing place and these pay TV corporations try to determine the right way to make the transition to streaming. However it will be very difficult and really troublesome for them to do this.

And should you have a look at the Roku platform, it serves not simply viewers which are twine cutters and simply join Netflix and YouTube and The Roku Channel, but additionally, we do serve pay TV prospects. Digital TV providers are very talked-about, even non-virtual TV providers. Like, for instance, I personally dwell in a spectrum space, and I exploit Roku, clearly, to observe tv. However I additionally subscribe to the Spectrum app, which is a superb app on Roku as properly.

So I believe that we’re nice at promoting subscriptions. We monetize all viewer exercise, not simply by promoting subscriptions. And we monetize viewers irrespective of how they attain their streaming credentials. And we’re extraordinarily well-positioned to proceed to do properly because the world shifts to streaming.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

I believe, our massive headline goes to be that you just watch TV by way of Roku.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Yeah, it is stunning. And I’ve a pay TV subscription, proper. But it surely’s by way of the Spectrum app on Roku.

David JoyceSeaport Analysis Companions — Analyst

All proper. Admire it. Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

After which, you requested the influence of accelerating — worth will increase on streaming. I imply, it is a pure evolution of the ecosystem. It can elevate general streaming income. And I believe, we have seen thus far it has been good for our enterprise as a result of we have now a big enterprise distributing content material providers.

We do billing. Now we have income share preparations. Now we have quite a lot of totally different preparations that end in that being optimistic for our enterprise general.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from the road of Wealthy Greenfield with LightShed Companions.

Wealthy GreenfieldLightShed Companions — Analyst

Hello, thanks for taking the query. Anthony, quite a lot of your streaming companions, your media and leisure corporations are dropping billions of {dollars} and Wall Avenue is placing quite a lot of stress on them. I am certain you’ve got seen their inventory costs at multi-year, even multi-decade lows. What can Roku do to assist them speed up income progress and cut back prices? Like, what are the choices or what forms of artistic issues might you do to assist these corporations which are actually struggling of their streaming companies? Thanks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Nicely, I imply, as they remodel their companies to streaming-first corporations, I imply, there’s quite a lot of methods we will help them. We — that is what we do, really, at our core, is join viewers with streaming providers and advertisers. And we do it in quite a lot of alternative ways. Now we have quite a lot of merchandise that may assist them construct their companies, whether or not they’re making an attempt to construct an ad-supported enterprise or whether or not they’re making an attempt to construct a subscription enterprise.

We have spent quite a lot of time placing these options into our platform, pondering deeply about it. And so, simply by way of effectiveness for them and spending {dollars} to make the transition to streaming and to enroll new subscribers, we’re by far their most effective and efficient platform to do this advertising platform. In order that’s one. Two is, there’s alternative ways for these corporations to distribute their service.

They will create apps. And quite a lot of corporations try to do this. However that is a heavy elevate. I imply, once you do your personal direct-to-consumer service, create your personal app, it requires quite a lot of technical experience.

It requires quite a lot of advertising experience. It requires some huge cash to accumulate prospects and retain prospects and construct consumer experiences. And the opposite method is for these corporations to work with Roku and combine into our general consumer expertise with what we name premium subscriptions, which is a method for them to supply SVOD providers however with out doing the heavy lifting of constructing their very own app and determining the right way to turn out to be information science specialists and the right way to construct engagement when individuals may be utilizing it — prospects may be in a special consumer expertise. And so, that is one other method {that a} content material associate or an app — or, sorry, a studio that is — sorry, a streaming firm — an organization — a media firm that is transitioning to streaming can rather more effectively construct their enterprise with out constructing quite a lot of new streaming experience and with focusing extra on what they’re good at, which is the content material and their programming.

So these are just a few examples. I do not know if — Charlie, do you will have something?

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Wealthy, one factor we speak about so much is Roku is a extremely highly effective engagement engine. In order persons are transferring from actually subscription providers to now embracing advert gross sales, we will help them drive engagement. And we’re seeing that so much. It is a actually massive shift, even psychically, transferring from making an attempt to get individuals to subscribe and never churn to getting them to observe the exhibits and the commercials.

And so, we’re actually good at driving engagement and we’re having quite a lot of optimistic response and seeing the influence of our media as we assist our M&E companions drive engagement. After which, one other factor we’re doing is windowing otherwise with the studios. So you are going to see so much. We’re very environment friendly, as Anthony stated, with respect to our programming prices.

And we’re a extremely good associate for the studios as properly in that respect, as a result of we’re a window that hasn’t existed earlier than, and we are able to monetize it in several methods due to the facility of the UI that Anthony talked about.

Wealthy GreenfieldLightShed Companions — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from the road of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley.

Ben SwinburneMorgan Stanley — Analyst

Thanks, guys. Two questions. There’s an echo. OK, it is gone.

I wish to ask you guys about dwell programming. You guys talked about within the letter fairly a bit, progress in dwell and the investments in dwell. And I believe, again to years in the past, individuals in all probability thought dwell TV was going to die and streaming can be all on demand. What’s — any sense for a way a lot of your viewing is finished by way of dwell viewing? And whether or not that is a possibility for you guys by way of monetization? I might think about it might have higher advert masses, perhaps higher general engagement ranges.

And I believe, quite a lot of the investments you guys have made in content material and product are round driving quick channels and quite a lot of The Roku Channel is constructed, notably Sports activities, round dwell. So I might love to listen to some ideas on whether or not that is one thing we must be occupied with as a tailwind to the enterprise. After which, I simply needed to ask Dan on the North Star remark and free money circulation. You guys generated I take into consideration $150 million yr thus far.

Any expectations you’ll be able to share this for the yr or the fourth quarter simply to get a way for what you assume free money circulation would possibly shake out for 2023? Thanks a lot.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Thanks, Ben. That is Anthony. I will take the primary half on dwell after which Dan, clearly, will take the second half. So yeah, I imply, properly, to begin with, let me simply outline dwell.

So dwell within the streaming world, at the least on our platform, means content material that’s actually dwell, like a sports activities sport or an award present. But it surely additionally means content material that’s simply programmed linearly, as a result of it is arduous — calling it a linear channel — I am simply explaining this for different listeners. So once you name it a linear channel, that does not — the viewers do not reply to that. So we name the entire class of linear viewing dwell.

And dwell is one thing we have been centered on for at the least a few years now. And we have constructed out quite a lot of nice experiences to advertise dwell content material. There is a dwell menu in our left-hand nav on our residence display screen. We constructed an EPG, that is an digital program information, which is type of like a conventional cable field UI for dwell programming.

That is additionally very talked-about. And we proceed to place quite a lot of effort into issues like our machine studying algorithms drive tuning of dwell, and it is very talked-about. It stunned me really how well-liked it’s. I used to be one of many individuals who thought perhaps it might fade away, however that is not true.

It turns on the market’s numerous individuals that do not wish to decide a present. They simply wish to flip by way of just a few channels and discover one thing that catches their consideration. So it is a massive progress space for us. It will in all probability proceed to be an enormous progress space.

It is particularly necessary internationally the place linear remains to be tremendous massive. So there’s quite a lot of totally different classes, several types of content material, whether or not it is dwell or VOD, AVOD or SVOD or TVOD, and we put quite a lot of effort into all these forms of content material. However dwell, yeah, dwell is well-liked and rising quick.

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

We’re additionally really airing some dwell occasions. Now we have Components E developing, and we have accomplished some nice work with Miss Universe Pageant, and so there are alternatives there. But additionally, dwell is complicated typically to the viewer, the way in which so many of those sports activities packages are being cut up up. So Anthony talked about it earlier, however our Sports activities Zone is an unimaginable software for viewers to determine the right way to navigate.

And really, the buyer expertise workforce does an incredible job serving to viewers navigate to the dwell occasions that they’d like to search out. In order that’s one other platform benefit as properly. They arrive by way of our entrance door, we make it pleasant and easy for them to search out what they wish to watch, and get the place they wish to go.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

We’re all the time on the lookout for methods to assist our viewers. So for instance, we have now one thing referred to as tune-in reminder, which is a method for a viewer to, like, be reminded when a dwell occasion is about to air. They will click on on an advert for an occasion, and it could actually schedule a tune-in reminder for them the place they will get a discover. So it is undoubtedly an space we’re additionally innovating in as properly.

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

On free money circulation, thanks for the query on that. And sure, you are proper, three quarters, we’re about $161 million of optimistic free money circulation, $239 million on this most up-to-date quarter. We’re actually centered on free money circulation. And with respect to This fall, we may have some restructuring fees that receives a commission out in This fall.

So I want to attend and see just like the timing of that relative to our working capital. Clearly, This fall is an enormous promoting quarter for us, however quite a lot of that assortment would not come till Q1. After which, Q1 is also an enormous cost for us by way of a few of our gross sales and advertising channels. However that stated, I believe that EBITDA is an excellent proxy free of charge money circulation.

We, after a number of quarters of being capital intense, we at the moment are capital gentle. And so, EBITDA goes to be a reasonably good proxy of free money circulation with some fluctuations in working capital from quarter to quarter.

Ben SwinburneMorgan Stanley — Analyst

Thanks, everybody.

Operator

That concludes our question-and-answer session. I might like to show the decision again to Anthony Wooden for closing remarks.

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Thanks everybody for becoming a member of. Due to our workers, prospects, content material companions, and advertisers. Thanks for attending our name right now.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

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Name contributors:

Conrad GroddVice President, Investor Relations

Anthony WoodenFounder and Chief Govt Officer

Dan JeddaChief Monetary Officer

Cory CarpenterJPMorgan Chase and Firm — Analyst

Charlie CollierPresident, Roku Media

Michael NathansonMoffettNathanson — Analyst

Jason HelfsteinOppenheimer and Firm — Analyst

Shweta KhajuriaEvercore ISI — Analyst

Mustafa OzgenPresident, Gadgets

Ruplu BhattacharyaFinancial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Steven CahallWells Fargo Securities — Analyst

David JoyceSeaport Analysis Companions — Analyst

Wealthy GreenfieldLightShed Companions — Analyst

Ben SwinburneMorgan Stanley — Analyst

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